A Message for both HRC and BHO supporters

This is my first diary attempt and I don't expect much.  Please do me a favor, however, and try to keep any responses civil.  I have been reading this site and DailyKos for about 2 months now.  In that time, I have noticed a trend on both sites that I find more than a little troubling.  

     First, a bit about me.  I am a white male that grew up in a small Pennsylvania town.  My parents split with one Republican and one Democrat.  I have lived and traveled all around this country.  I have worked as a carpenter, dishwasher, stockboy, designer, and restaurant GM.  I have never had the honor of serving in the military, but I am an Eagle Scout and my Grandfather was a part of the spearhead into Germany in WWII.  I am a patriot and I consider myself a progressive.  Now, onto the actual point of this diary...

     As far as I can tell, being a progressive is about (but not limited to) the following issues in no particular order:  Getting the government back into the hands of the people it governs, Pro-Choice, Fair Trade agreements, Womens' Rights, Improving racial tensions, A return of diplomacy though negotiation instead of unilateral military action, Affordable healthcare, Etc...Etc...Etc...  Being a Progressive is about making this country into the free and great society that we believe it can be.  Yet, I have seen diary after diary proclaiming that the writers will not vote for the Democratic nominee, if that person is not their chosen horse in the race.  Some have even mentioned that they will move to another country if the situation is not to their liking.

     For just a moment, let us look at what is likely to happen if the Senator from Arizona becomes the President for just four years.  First, three Supreme Court Justices will be replaced with more conservative nominees.  This will lead to the overturning of Roe v Wade, not to mention an overwhelmingly conservative court for at least 20 years.  We will continue a losing strategy in Iraq and likely get into an overt military conflict with Iran.  The world view of America will continue to become increasingly negative.  Finally, I don't even want to think about his effect on the economy.

     Here is what that means to you:  If you consider yourself to be a Progressive, a Liberal, or Left-leaning...  If you truly care about the advancement of any of the issues named above...  you will vote for the Democratic nominee.  If you do not, the blood of every American soldier killed in Iraq or Iran is on your hands.  The death of every child due to the lack of healthcare is on your head.  Every backroom abortion is your fault.  Need I go on?  I strongly disagree with Republicans on many, if not most, issues.  However, many Republicans believe that they are doing what is in the best interest of the country that they care deeply for.  They may be misguided.  They may be wrong.  But they are Patriots.  Please support the nominee of your choice in the primary as strongly as you can, but if, when all is said and done, you do not support the issues and values that you claim to believe in with your vote...  Well, I am not going to say it.  It brings a sour taste to my mouth.

     There was a point in time, as the founding fathers sat down to discuss independence, that they strongly disagreed.  There were big speeches given and many personal insults flew through the room.  In the end, though, they came together to make a historic declaration.  I hope that we all can do that as well.  "We must all hang together, or we will certainly hang separately."



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Re: A Message for both HRC and BHO supporters (2.00 / 1)

True words!


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:05:55 PM EST

Tip jar? (2.00 / 4)

I think that you are supposed to post one of these...


by jacen42 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:06:39 PM EST

You must have watched John Adams... (none / 0)

last night.


by Shazone on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:46:07 PM EST
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Re: A Message for both HRC and BHO supporters (none / 0)

Great stuff!  I couldn't agree more and have been posting the same sort of message for weeks.

I'm sorry to say it, but you are about to be attacked or ignored by either of the more rabid factions.

From me...Mojo for you though!!!


by a gunslinger on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:17:36 PM EST

Re: A Message for both HRC and BHO supporters (none / 0)

I appreciate the call for unity. We need the reminder.


by wolff109 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:20:43 PM EST

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I agree.  I have never voted Republican for my whole adult life - 22 voting years.  I am not about to start now.


by JustJennifer on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:24:41 PM EST

Re: A Message for both HRC and BHO supporters (2.00 / 1)

Defintely will vote Democrat.


Honesty is always the best Policy. Go Hillary Go!
by roseeriter on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:30:23 PM EST

Re: A Message for both HRC and BHO supporters (none / 0)

Agreed. Things are out of control here. I tried to think of what Clinton or Obama would have to say or do in order for me not to vote for them. I came up with this: an expressed intent to declare martial law. McCain is seriously bad news. It's bad enough when less informed democrats proclaim a willingness to vote for him, but it's very distressing when people around here (who I'd expect to be better informed) do the same. There's a bigger picture involved here than the individual candidates.


by Mobar on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:34:35 PM EST

Been seeing more of these lately (none / 0)

Calls for unity, I respect the intent.

I put this on the Barack Obama campaign, his group of supporters.

This is where it began:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/26/ 22350/1976/730/376587


by Edgar08 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:35:10 PM EST

Oh, for Pete's sake (none / 0)

One guy posts something on the internet and you're going to war. After two terms under Bush, I'd like to think that rational people were capable of understanding how destructive this petulant behavior is. I don't care who the democratic nominee is, any self-proclaimed liberal/progressive/democrat who doesn't vote for that nominee will be held in the highest contempt in my book. You'll get your own circle of hell... well below the Nader voters.


by Mobar on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:18:24 PM EST
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Read the comments (none / 0)

Check out the recommends.

Thanks!


by Edgar08 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:19:15 PM EST
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Re: Oh, for Pete's sake (none / 0)

Moreover...Velvet Elvis who posted this ...did NOT in this post also recommend Obama, did they?  

It's PAST time to unite.


by a gunslinger on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:47:26 PM EST
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Excepting, of course, Republicans and Independants (none / 0)

A lot of non-traditional Democrats have been brought into the Democratic race for a lot of different reasons.

Some are just trying to act as a spoiler because they hate one of the Democratic candidates more than the other or think that one should be helped along to some sort of inevitable defeat at the hands of John McCain, but many are genuinely interested in one of the candidates, and why not?

Barack Obama is, in addition to his ethnic diversity, preaching a new form of politics and seems to want to usher in an era of fiscal responsibility and government transparency... these are attractive virtues to honest conservatives.  There's nothing innately stupid about Republicans; they've seen the damage that George Bush has done and are willing to try something new.

Hillary Clinton is the first credible female candidate... that's something attractive even for the most conservative female or sympathetic male feminists.  Not only that, but her name was made in an era where the United States was doing well and was respected in the world, unlike the era of the current Republican leader.  Hers, too, is a candidacy attractive to some independants and Republicans.

What I don't think is that we must automatically assume that, if one of these two candidates is not available, that all of their supporters would go to the other.  John McCain, deservedly or not, is loved by many independants and iconoclastic Republicans.  For many, the draw for a candidate is not the positions on the issues, but the character of the person.  In that case, it's perfectly legitimate to like Clinton or Obama first, but McCain over the other Democrat.

Don't get me wrong: I started off a Clinton supporter, was won over by Obama, and weaned off of Clinton by what I saw as uncalled-for negative attacks, but I would still vote for her over McCain if necessary, because I believe as you do that the issues are too important.

Quite frankly, I don't think that people are going to stop with the melodrama, because they think it makes people afraid that the opposing candidate can't get that support back.  It might be true, but it's a self-fulfilling prophesy if so, and can be avoided by just not taking these things too seriously.

I mean, seriously, anyone who is liberal or a Democrat and still thinks that we're better off with a warmongering septegenarian who self-admittedly knows little about economics probably deserves what they get.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:36:46 PM EST


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